Suggested Answers to the Second Short Quiz

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Suggested Answers to the Second Short Quiz

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Suggested Answers to the Second Short Quiz


Question 1

In rejecting the recommendation of the Founding Dean of Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government regarding how to cope with Osama bin Laden’s now-irrevocable fatwā to nuke 10 million Americans despite the exhaustive supportive efforts of former U.S. Senator Sam Nunn (D-GA and Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman 1987-1995), U.S. Senator Richard Lugar (R-IN and Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman 2003-2007) and Messrs. Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton (Chair and Co-Chair of The 9/11 Commission) -- and despite the efforts of Tim Russert to publicize the efforts of Nunn/Lugar/Kean/Hamilton on Meet The Press and Tom Brokaw’s participation in a Docu-Drama produced by Nunn/Lugar/Kean/Hamilton -- did Congress instead opt for Sec. 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) pursuant to which the National Security Agency (aka NSA aka “No Such Agency”) was permitted to collect all electronic communications (phone calls, e-mail, text messages, etc.) and have immediate access to the “meta data” (who communicated with whom, when and where) concerning those communications?

Answer 1

Yes.

Question 2

Was Sec. 702 intended (except for one-year emergencies determined by the Attorney General or the Director of National Intelligence) to limit NSA’s ability to access THE CONTENT of such communications to solely those communications which were identified by searching the “meta data” to confirm the participation by known foreign terrorists AND ONLY AFTER a Warrant was obtained from a FISA judge?

Answer 2

Yes.

Question 3

If the foreign terrorists, THE CONTENT of whose communications was the subject of a FISA Warrant, communicated with U.S. citizens, did the NSA have access to THE CONTENT of those communications pursuant to the FISA Warrant?

Answer 3

Yes.

Question 4

Did Sec. 702 provide that the IDENTITY of U.S. citizens, THE CONTENT of whose communications was accessed by the NSA as described in Q-3, must be MASKED?

Answer 4

Yes.

Question 5

Did Top Officials of the Obama Administration UNMASK (and then obtain THE CONTENT of communications of) POLITICAL OPPONENTS?

Answer 5

Yes.

Question 6

Had the Obama Administration’s POLITICAL OPPONENTS been surveilled as the result of a FISA Warrant obtained on the basis of the false information illegally purchased by the Clinton Campaign and the DNC from the Kremlin and illegally NOT reported -- using the Perkins Coie law firm as their agent to conduct and hide these illegal activities?

Answer 6

So it appears!!!

Question 7

Was this obviously POLITICAL WARFARE since, for example, more than 100 UNMASKINGS were obtained by Samantha Power who, as Obama’s Ambassador to the United Nations, had no need to know about the communications vis-à-vis which she was obtaining UNMASKING?

Answer 7

So it appears!!!

Question 8

Does FISA Sec. 702 expire on 12/31/2017 unless it is extended by new legislation?

Answer 8

Yes.

Question 9

For our 5/10/2017 meeting, did we focus on “Authoritarian Rule by Our Intelligence Services” because of their behavior in ILLEGALLY leaking UNMASKED communications to the media concerning governmental officials that they didn’t like?

Answer 9

Yes.

Question 10

For our 5/10/2017 meeting, did we all re-read (probably for the first time since High School for most of us) George Orwell’s “1984”?

Answer 10

Yes.

Question 11

At our 5/10/2017 meeting, was there universal opposition to the possibility/probability that our Intelligence Services will use their power to zap any of our democratically-elected officials with whom they disagree?

Answer 11

Yes.

Question 12

NONETHELESS, at our 5/10/2017 meeting, was there a diversity of opinion on (1) whether we are just “around the corner” from Authoritarian Rule by Our Intelligence Services à la George Orwell’s 1984, or (2) whether we are merely (!!!) in a permanent modus vivendi pursuant to which Our Intelligence Services dictate U.S. policy by zapping whichever democratically-elected officials displease them WITHOUT the oppression of Orwell’s 1984?

Answer 12

Yes -- not everyone believes in “give me liberty or give me death”!!!

Question 13

And WAS THERE UNIVERSAL AGREEMENT that (as posited in both the Suggested Discussion Outline and the Suggested Answers to the Fourth Short Quiz posted on http://www.ReadingLiberally-SaltLake.org for the 5/10/2017 meeting) there is NO SOLUTION to the problem? Unless, of course, we simply disband entirely our Intelligence Services BECAUSE THE INTELLIGENCE SERVICES HAVE ALREADY PROVEN TO BE SO “LAWLESS” THAT THERE IS REALLY NOTHING THAT CAN BE DONE IN TERMS OF ADDITIONAL LAWS BECAUSE THEY WILL IGNORE THOSE AS WELL !!!???

Answer 13

Yes, there was universal agreement that there is NO SOLUTION because the Intelligence Services are so “lawless” that there is nothing that can be done in terms of new laws!!!

Question 14

In other words, isn’t FISA Sec. 702 a Faustian Bargain pursuant to which we sell our soul (democracy and freedom from Orwellian-Style Authoritarian Rule) in exchange for protection (which is NOT absolute) from having 10 million Americans nuked???

Answer 14

Absolutely!!!

Question 15

Does The USA Liberty Act which was reported to the House Floor on 11/8/2017 represent a conscientious effort to increase in the future the criminal penalties for the type of illegal behavior that has occurred in the past under FISA Sec. 702???

Answer 15

What do you think??? Let’s discuss!!!

Question 16

HOWEVER, on the one hand, did Attorney General Sessions testify before the House Judiciary Committee on 11/14/2017 that the U.S. Justice Department (which includes the F.B.I.) OPPOSES the reforms contained in The USA Liberty Act (!!!)???

Answer 16

Incredibly!!!

Question 17

AND ON THE OTHER HAND, would the reforms of The USA Liberty Act be sufficient to prevent Authoritarian Rule by our Intelligence Services à la Orwell’s “1984”???

Answer 17

What do you think??? Let’s discuss!!!

Question 18

AND EVEN IF the reforms would be sufficient IF ENFORCED, why should America believe in Washington DC’s “Kabuki Theater” in which NOBODY is ever HELD ACCOUNTABLE for violating the law???

Answer 18

What do you think??? Let’s discuss!!!

Question 19

AFTER ALL, do there appear to be ANY INVESTIGATIONS of such obvious criminal behavior imperiling our national security as (A) the Clinton Foundation in general and Uranium One in particular, (B) Hillary putting top-secret documents on a personal computer server that was less secure than g-mail and that was hacked by at least 5 foreign governments, (C) Hillary and the DNC buying false “opposition research” from the Kremlin and distributing it to the mainstream media while masking their deeds by using the Perkins Coie law firm as their agent to accomplish these illegal activities, and (D) rigging the Democratic Primaries against Bernie Sanders who was the only candidate in 2016, other than Donald Trump, standing up for American workers (which should comprise a “slam dunk” case of criminally defrauding all of Bernie Sanders’ zillions of small campaign contributors)?

Answer 19

What do you think???

Isn’t it fairly obvious that Jeff Sessions’ so-called “Justice” Department is protecting Hillary???

Question 20

While we are treated to constant demands to return to the Cold War by investigating so-called Russian “collusion” which is NOT a crime?

Answer 20

Obviously the idiots in Jeff Sessions’ so-called “Justice” Department (including Special Prosecutor Mueller) and the mainstream media think we are idiots!!!

Question 21

Since the refusal of the Justice Department to pursue the obvious criminal behavior described in Q-18 is apparently based on the ridiculous grounds that doing so would appear political, what is the excuse for a refusal to appoint a Special Prosecutor for the obvious Q-18 crimes and “let the chips fall where they may”?

Answer 21

What do you think??? Let’s discuss!!!

Question 22

After all, until the obvious criminal behavior described in Q-18 is prosecuted, how can the American public be expected to believe that any of the wonderful-sounding reforms of The USA Liberty Act would ever be enforced???

Answer 22

What do you think??? Let’s discuss!!!

Question 23

BTW, since it appears that Hillary is intent on “roaming this earth” forever, why doesn’t some local District Attorney do the country a favor by prosecuting the “slam dunk” criminal case against her for being an Accessory After The Fact to President Clinton’s many “felony murders”???

Answer 23

Many salient facts are available from affidavits of three Arkansas State Troopers obtained during Paula Jones’ lawsuit against Bill Clinton, excerpts of which Arkansas State Trooper affidavits are still posted on the Washington Post website.

[NB: Lawsuits against Presidents are permitted to proceed while the President is still in office ONLY INSOFAR as they do not impair the President’s ability to perform his duties -- which is why the depositions of the Arkansas State Troopers were permitted to be taken in 1997 while Bill Clinton was still President. Before Bill Clinton left office, he settled the Paula Jones lawsuit for $850 thousand and immediately after leaving office, he was disbarred from practicing law in Arkansas for having perjured himself.]

Salient facts from the three Arkansas State Trooper affidavits --

(1) As Arkansas Governor, Bill Clinton used his Arkansas State Trooper body guards on a regular basis to “procure” sexual partners.

[NB: The term “procure” is used throughout this Answer-23 by Yours Truly for its common meaning -- it is not necessarily used herein as a legal term.]

(2) The 11/10/1997 affidavit of Arkansas State Trooper L.D. Brown contains his sworn testimony that he personally procured sex partners for Bill Clinton “over a hundred times” INSIDE the State of Arkansas and “maybe ten or fifteen times” OUTSIDE the State of Arkansas.

(3) The 12/10/1997 affidavit of Arkansas State Trooper Danny Ferguson contains his sworn testimony that after Bill Clinton became President, there was so much interest in his illegal activities while Governor of Arkansas that he, Danny Ferguson, and FIVE OTHER ARKANSAS STATE TROOPERS (Roger Perry, Lynn Davis, Cliff Jackson, Ronnie Anderson and Larry Patterson) were planning to write a book about their activities as “procurers” of sexual partners for Bill Clinton.

The typical “procurement” procedures employed by the Arkansas State Troopers as reported in the news media --

(1) Bill Clinton would identify Arkansas State employees HE DID NOT KNOW and assign his Arkansas-State-Trooper bodyguards to “procure” them.

(2) One or two of the Arkansas-State-Trooper bodyguards would suddenly appear at the victim’s Arkansas-State work desk and inquire “Are You Ms. (Whatever)” and, upon the anticipated affirmative reply, say “You must come with us.”

(3) Typically, the victim would immediately and meekly accompany the Arkansas State Troopers out to their Arkansas State Vehicle because she thought she was under arrest and also because of the embarrassment caused the victim in front of her co-workers from which she wanted to escape as quickly as possible.

(4) However, instead of going to Arkansas State Police Headquarters, Bill Clinton’s Arkansas State Trooper body guards would drive to a hotel and inform the victim: “Governor Clinton is in Room (whatever) and you have a choice either to submit to his sexual requests or to have your Arkansas state employment terminated following which you will receive only unsatisfactory references concerning your Arkansas State employment.”

(5) Some victims succumbed and others didn’t.

(6) The victims that did not succumb were in fact terminated from their Arkansas state employment and thereafter received only unsatisfactory references.

(7) Approximately a dozen victims committed suicide as a result of their encounter(s) with Bill Clinton.

The salient facts alleged in Paula Jones’ Law-Suit Complaint --

(1) Paula Jones was approached by Arkansas State Trooper Danny Ferguson (as confirmed by the Affidavit testimony of Co-Defendant Arkansas-State-Trooper Danny Ferguson).

(2) The typical “procurement procedures” reported in the news media (Troopers suddenly appearing at the regular work place of the victim, kidnapping her (in the legal sense) and driving her to a hotel) did not happen -- Paula Jones was working at the Registration Desk for a convention sponsored by her Arkansas State Agency, Bill Clinton was speaking at the convention, the convention was being held in a hotel, and Arkansas State Trooper Danny Ferguson was able simply to tell Paula Jones that Governor Bill Clinton wanted to meet her and gave her the room number in that convention hotel.

(3) Paula Jones’ Law-Suit Complaint claims that she thought Governor Clinton wanted to talk to her about the convention and that she did not submit to Governor Clinton’s sexual requests.

(4) Paula Jones’ Law-Suit Complaint claims that she married her then-fiancé and moved to California where she was raising a family when a tabloid article based on an interview with Danny Ferguson identified her as one of the victims that he had procured for Governor Clinton.

(5) Paula Jones’ Law-Suit Complaint against Bill Clinton alleged, among other things, defamation and named Danny Ferguson as a co-defendant.

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LEGAL ANALYSIS RE FELONY MURDER

Even if only the sworn testimony in the affidavits of the Arkansas State Troopers are taken as true (AND SINCE TROOPER DANNY FERGUSON WAS A CO-DEFENDANT, ALL OF HIS DAMNING STATEMENTS ARE “ADMISSIONS AGAINST INTEREST”!!!), it would appear that Bill Clinton engaged in “more than a hundred” major-league felonies.

And if the typical “procurement” procedures described in the news media are true: (1) the initial approach comprised kidnapping, (2) the victims who submitted were also the victims of rape and extortion, and (3) the victims who did not submit were also the victims of defamation, attempted rape and attempted extortion -- meaning that there were literally HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of major-league felonies.

Unfortunately, the Statute of Limitations has probably expired for all of these felonies.

HOWEVER, under British/American common law, THERE IS NO STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS FOR MURDER!!!

AND, under English/American common law, “MURDER” INCLUDES “FELONY MURDER”!!!

The Doctrine of Felony Murder under English/American common law is that if anyone dies AS A RESULT OF your commission of a felony, you are guilty of murder.

For example, robbers get into a gun fight with the police and an innocent bystander is killed.

Indeed, when Yours Truly attended Harvard Law School 1964-67, we studied a famous case in which robbers got into a gun fight with the police who killed one of the robbers, and the surviving robbers were convicted of the FELONY MURDER of THEIR CO-CONSPIRATOR!!!

IN ARKANSAS, the English/American common law Doctrine of Felony Murder has been modified by statute to provide (Arkansas Code Sec. 5-10-101(a)) --

“A person commits capital murder if: (1) Acting alone or with one (1) or more other persons:

(A) The person commits or attempts to commit: (i) Terrorism, as defined in 5-54-205; (ii) Rape, 5-14-103; (iii) Kidnapping, 5-11-102; (iv) Vehicular piracy, 5-11-105; (v) Robbery, 5-12-102; (vi) Aggravated robbery, 5-12-103; (vii) Residential burglary, 5-39-201(a); (viii) Commercial burglary, 5-39-201(b); (ix) Aggravated residential burglary, 5-39-204; (x) A felony violation of the Uniform Controlled Substances Act, 5-64-101 -- 5-64-508, involving an actual delivery of a controlled substance; or (xi) First degree escape, 5-54-110;

and

(B) In the course of and in furtherance of the felony or in immediate flight from the felony, the person or an accomplice causes the death of a person under circumstances manifesting extreme indifference to the value of human life.”

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As previously discussed, the first requirement of this statutory provision is satisfied by the “attempted rape” of Paula Jones (which Bill Clinton’s co-defendant Trooper Danny Ferguson “admitted against interest” in his affidavit) --

as well as the “rape” or “attempted rape” and the “kidnapping” of all of the other Arkansas-employee victims subjected to the typical “procurement” procedure described in the media.

A seeming challenge is that the Arkansas statute has narrowed the scope of “felony murder” to situations in which death occurred “in the course of and in furtherance of the felony or in immediate flight from the felony.”

This would seem to require that one of the approximately-one-dozen suicide victims did so while Bill Clinton was still pursuing them in the course of unwanted affairs.

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It should be possible to overcome this seeming challenge by prosecuting in a jurisdiction that has NOT modified the English/American common law Doctrine of Felony Murder, or has NOT restricted it to require that the death occur “in the course of and in furtherance of the felony or in immediate flight from the felony.”

Virtually all legal jurisdictions including England and U.S. states, apply their own substantive law in criminal proceedings.

As a current example, international terrorists are prosecuted in U.S. courts under U.S. law even if their acts occurred outside the U.S. -- and even if their acts WERE LEGAL in the jurisdictions in which they were committed.

For history buffs, this principle that virtually every legal court in the world applies its own substantive criminal law was necessitated by the crimes of pirates committed on the high seas.

Also for history buffs is the interesting case of former Israeli Prime Minister (2001-2006) Ariel Sharon who, as the Commanding Israeli General in 1982, had his Israeli troops surround a Palestinian refugee camp just south of Beirut Lebanon and then permitted Lebanese Christian troops to massacre thousands of women, children and elderly over a period of several days. Ariel Sharon was convicted in absentia of war crimes for this massacre in a Belgian court in 2001. However, a Belgian appeals court reversed the conviction because during the appeal, Belgium changed its law to disallow criminal prosecutions for acts occurring outside Belgium unless committed by a Belgian citizen.

NB: As previously noted, the original provision in Belgian law is fairly standard by international norms in order to prosecute the actions of pirates on the high seas; the provision was changed under pressure from the U.S. which questioned whether Belgium should remain the location for the headquarters of such international institutions as NATO unless it changed its law.

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So all we need is a local District Attorney in a state that has not modified the English/American Doctrine of Felony Murder.

And why is Hillary obviously guilty of Felony Murder???

Because over the years she has continually slandered any of Bill Clinton’s victims in order to preserve Bill’s political career.

Feminists typically call such behavior “enabling.”

Any English/American common law court would rule that any such “enabler” is actually an “Accessory After The Fact.”

And would also rule that any “Accessory” whether before or after the fact, is GUILTY OF THE SAME CRIME as the actual perp.

This should be a “slam dunk” for a local District Attorney even if Jeff Sessions so-called “Justice” Department insists on continuing to protect Hillary!!!

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Excerpts from Affidavit of Arkansas State Trooper L.D. Brown

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Reading Liberally Editorial Notes:

The 11/22/2017 posting of the Suggested Answers to the Second Short Quiz has been greeted with quite a few e-mails claiming that the Excerpts from the Deposition of Arkansas State Trooper L.D. Brown could NOT be located on the Washington Post website.

Accordingly, there follow below both the Excerpts from the Deposition and their CURRENT website address.

The reason for stressing “CURRENT website address” is that such items are often taken down!!!

For example, Q-32 of the First Short Quiz quoted from the PBS Newshour translation of the first of Osama bin Laden’s FIVE fatwās -- that fatwā issued in 1996 and entitled “Declaration of War Against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places”

Shortly after we first quoted many years ago from the PBS Newshour translations of the ObL fatwās, the spineless PBS Newshour took them down!!!

At least the Washington Post has exhibited more integrity!!!

We have discussed the Arkansas State Trooper affidavits on several occasions, most recently the summer of 2014, and the Washington Post has not taken them down yet.

And for “Doubting Thomases” that was after the 2013 acquisition of the Washington Post by Jeff Bezos.

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NB: State Trooper L.D. Brown’s sworn testimony that he procured sexual partners for Governor Bill Clinton “more than a hundred times” INSIDE the state of Arkansas and “maybe ten or fifteen times” OUTISDE the state of Arkansas, occurs about 25% of the way through the following Excerpts.

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washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/pjones/docs/brown031398.htm


Excerpts From the Deposition of L.D. Brown

Released on Friday, March 13, 1998

Following are excerpts from the deposition of L.D. Brown, a former Arkansas state trooper, taken on Nov. 10, 1997 at the DoubleTree Hotel in Little Rock.

The text of the deposition was released on March 13 by Paula Jones's lawyers, as part of their response to the Clinton legal team's motion for summary judgement.

Jones's attorneys replaced the names of some women with the name "Jane Doe." Jane Doe 2 is longtime Clinton friend Beth Coulson.

In these excerpts, Ferguson is being questioned by Jones attorney Robert E. Rader. Robert S. Bennett represented President Clinton.

Q. What was the process that you would go through in soliciting women for Bill Clinton?

A. I would talk to them personally, sometimes give them my business card. If they were from out of town, I would find out where they were staying. If we were out of town and/or in town anywhere in Arkansas, I would try to get their telephone number and introduce them subsequently to the Governor.

Q. When you introduced yourself to them, would you just say that you're a member of the Governor's Security Detail and "The governor would like to meet you and talk to you" and that sort of thing? Can you give us a flavor for what you would say?

A. Well, usually it would be a situation where they, again, knew who he was and would see me come in with him, so I would usually say something like that I was his bodyguard or I was his state police officer. So it generally was a situation they knew who he was and saw that I was with him, and then I would give him the business card, as I said, same kind of procedure there.

Q. And you would get information from them about who they were and their phone number and so forth?

A. Right.

Q. Would you then give that to Governor Clinton?

A. Usually.

Q. Well, what would happen from there? I mean, do you have knowledge of Governor Clinton then actually meeting with these women, some of them?

A. Just from him, not any of those kind of solicitations, whatever you want to call it. I don't – one happened in Miami – not Miami, Boca Raton. That was an out-of-town thing.

Q. What was that incident?

A. We were there for a Southern Regional Education board meeting, I believe, and there were governors, as I remember, from around the country, and they were there. The governor was there, I believe, chairing the committee, and a trooper by the name of Ralph Parker and I traveled with the governor. They were going to go on vacation after this conference, and one night after Hillary, Chelsea, and her baby-sitter went to bed, we went out to a club, a disco kind of club, dance club. And I was driving the rental car, as I remember, and we went in the disco and sat down. And there was a table of women across the room from us, young women, and the governor asked me to ask this particular women – to go over and ask this particular woman if she wanted to meet the governor from Arkansas.

And I did, I gave her one of my cards, and again, this out of town as opposed to in-state where people knew who he was. And I think the girl said something, "Right, I'm the Queen of England, too," and someone at the table, which invariably would happen, actually noticed and knew who he was. And they said, "No, no, no. That's really Bill Clinton. I've seen him on television."

A couple of the girls came over, and when it was time to go and pay the bill, the governor got in the car with the girl that I had given the card to, and we followed them to an area that was under development. It was kind of a remote area from this club and pulled over, Ralph and I did. And around in front of them – she stopped, and then we pulled on around in front of them, and they stayed back there in the car for a few minutes. I can't remember how long, but – and then the governor came back and jumped in the backseat and we left and went back to the hotel.

Q. Well, now, the incident you've just described was one of the incidents that you described to The American Spectator. Do you recall that?

A. That's right.

Q. When Bill Clinton got back in the car with you after he left the car where he had been with the woman, what did he say to you about what they had done in there?

A. Well, he indicated in so many words that she had performed oral sex on him. I cleaned it up a little bit.

Q. And were there other instances when you would travel out of town with Bill Clinton and he would ask you to solicit a woman for him, make an approach?

A. Yes.

Q. Do you have any recollection of how many times that occurred? I'm just talking about the out-of-town instances.

A. Out of Little Rock or out of the state?

Q. Let's start with out of state.

A. Gosh, maybe ten of fifteen times out of state.



Q. Well, in your comments to The American Spectator, The American Spectator says that you said you solicited new sexual partners for Clinton throughout the state over a hundred times. Was that a true statement?

A. That's what I estimated it at, but not all of them came to their fruition, if you will, that I know of.

Q. Some of them did, according to what Clinton would tell you?

A. Right.



Q. Did Bill Clinton ever talk to you about where he had had a sexual relationship with Sherry Wright?

A. Not that I recall.

Q. Did you ever take Bill Clinton to the Riviera Apartments and he would go inside to meet someone?

A. I've taken him there, and he's gone inside.

Q. Did he ever say anything to you that suggested to you he was meeting a woman there?

A. Not that I recall.

Q. How about Liz Ward? Have you ever heard the name "Liz Ward?'

A. Yes.

Q. Did Bill Clinton ever say anything to you that he was having a sexual relationship with Liz Ward?

A. Not that I recall.

Q. Do you have any information or knowledge about whether he was having a sexual relationship with Liz Ward?

A. I had heard from someone.

Q. Do you remember who you heard from?

A. No, I don't remember.

Q. Did you ever drive Bill Clinton around – well, let me back up. When you'd ride around with Bill Clinton, was there a limousine that the governor would ride? What kind of car would you travel in?

A. We had an unmarked state police car that we would travel in most times on business, and then we had a Lincoln Town Car that we would drive sometimes, usually at night.

Q. Did you ever go out with Bill Clinton where you were driving in the Lincoln Town Car and he was riding in the car, just the two of you?

A. Yes.

Q. Did you ever pick up any women? Did he ever ask you to stop and pick up a woman or meet a woman under these circumstance?

A. Not that I recall.

Q. Do you know the name "Deborah Mathis?"

A. Yes.

Q. Do you have any knowledge whether Bill Clinton had sexual encounters with Deborah Mathis?

A. I had heard it, but I don't have any personal knowledge.

Q. Do you recall where you heard it?

A. No.

Q. Did you ever see Bill Clinton with Deborah Mathis?

A. I can't remember specifically.

Q. Did you ever take Bill Clinton to meet Deborah Mathis?

A. Not that I remember, not knowingly.

Q. How about the name "Shala" – S-h-a-l-a is the way I have it spelled – "Brummett"? Have you heard that name?

MR. BENNETT: What's the last name?

MR. RADER: B-r-u-m-m-e-t-t, I think.

A. I've heard the name.

Q. Do you have any knowledge about whether Bill Clinton had a sexual relationship with her?

A. I just heard that he did.

Q. Do you recall where you heard it?

A. No.

Q. Was there any evidence of that other than somebody told you that?

A. Not that I have.

Q. Did Bill Clinton ever talk to you about the fact that he had had a sexual – or whether he had had a sexual relationship with her?

A. I can't remember that he did. He may have.

Q. Did Bill Clinton ever say that he had had a sexual relationship with Sherry Wright?

A. Not that I remember.

Q. Did he ever say that he had had a sexual relationship with Liz Ward?

A. Not that I remember.

Q. Or Deborah Mathis?

A. No.

Q. How about the name "Lencola Sullivan"? I'm not certain how you spell that. I understand she was Miss Arkansas at one time.

A. Right.

Q. Do you know that name?

A. Right.

Q. Do you have any knowledge whether Bill Clinton had had a sexual relationship with her?

A. I just heard that he had.

Q. Do you recall where you heard it?

A. No.

Q. Did Bill Clinton ever talk to you about her?

A. Not that I remember.

Q. Did you ever travel to New York City with Bill Clinton?

A. I don't think I ever did.

Q. Now, you mentioned earlier the name "Robyn Dickey". Do you have any knowledge whether Bill Clinton had a sexual encounter or sexual affair with Robyn Dickey?

A. Yes.

Q. What is your knowledge?

A. She told me she had, and she said she was one of the people that came into the mansion under the circumstances outlined earlier. And he – I don't remember the words, but he and I talked about it as well.

Q. So Robyn Dickey and Bill Clinton both made comments to you that they were having a sexual relationship or had had? Is that what you are saying?

A. Right.

Q. How many times did she come to the Governor's Mansion? Do you have any recollection of that?

A. Well, she worked there for part of the time that I was there as the mansion administrator, so she was there almost every day while she worked there. I assume you're talking about the late nights?

Q. Right.

A. Several times. I can't remember exactly how many times.

Q. Did she go – what would she do? Would she go home at the end of the day and then come back late at night?

A. Right.

Q. Were these instances where Bill Clinton would call and tell you that she was coming, or could she get on the grounds without his prior approval?

A. Well, while she was working there, but she came there after she left the employment as well.

Q. After she was no longer employed as the administrator for the mansion, she still came back?

A. Right.

Q. Late at night?

A. Right.

Q. You also mentioned the name "Regina Blakely Hopper." What knowledge, if any, do you have about a sexual relationship between Bill Clinton and Regina Blakely? Or Regina Hopper Blakely I guess is the correct way of saying that.

A. Regina Hopper at the time. She would come to the mansion under those circumstances, not nearly as many times as Robyn did, and I knew Regina. We talked to Regina, and the governor would say something along the same lines as we were talking about earlier.

Q. Let's be specific for the record. Would the governor make comments to you that he was having a sexual relationship with Regina Hopper?

MR. BENNETT: I object to the form. I mean, that's about as leading a question –

Q. I'm just asking you to be as specific as you can about the governor's comments.

A. When he would talk to me about her after she had been there or after she had come to the mansion, in so many words that's what we would talk about would be that he had had sexual relationships with her.

Q. Did she ever say anything to you along the same lines that confirmed that she had had a sexual relationship with Bill Clinton.

A. Yes.

Q. Do you know Regina Hopper's father's name?

A. Bobby Hopper.

Q. Did he had a job with the State of Arkansas?

A. Well, he was appointed to a state highway commission job.

Q. Who appointed him to that position?

A. Governor Clinton.

Q. Do you know the name Jane Doe 4?

A. Yes.

Q. Do you have any knowledge whether she had a sexual relationship with Bill Clinton?

A. Just what some people had told me.

Q. Do you remember who told you that?

A. Larry Paterson, as I remember, told me that.

Q. Do you know Jane Doe 4 personally?

A. She worked at the governor's office while I was there.

Q. Do you know where she is now?

A. I think she work's in the president's office here in Little Rock. I'm not sure of that.

Q. Did Bill Clinton ever say anything to you that he had had a sexual relationship with Jane Doe 4?

A. He may have. I'm not sure.

Q. What was Jane Doe 4 – did she work for the state of Arkansas?

A. I believe she was the assistant scheduling secretary for the governor's office.

Q. Did she travel with the governor when he traveled?

A. She may have. I don't remember her doing that.

Q. Do you have any knowledge of whether Bill Clinton would meet women when he would go out jogging?

A. He told me that he had before, and I picked him up, I believe, here, I'm sure the Excelsior. After he would leave jogging by himself, he would call me and have me come pick him up, and that's, more or less, what he would say.

Q. What would he say?

A. That he had just seen someone, had Hillary called, same kind of questions. "Has Hillary called? Where is she? Let's get back to the mansion."

Q. You say he said that he had just seen someone. Did he say anything that he had had a sexual encounter with them?

A. Not in so many words. Sometimes he would call me again to let me know where he was. Didn't say that. He'd call me and tell me he'd be at the Excelsior for a while, pick him up at such and such a time.

Q. Well, what makes you think, if you do, that he was having sexual encounters in these cases?

A. Because he's give me the room number where he was going to be.

Q. You didn't think this was just some business meeting with somebody with the Arkansas Democratic Party?

A. Not in his jogging shorts. I'm not trying to be flip about it, and, again, we would talk later, and I don't remember – I never saw any women there, if that's what you're asking me.

Q. Well, I'm just asking the basis for your belief that he had had a sexual encounter in these cases.

A. Afterward when I would pick him up, we would talk in generalities about that. He would not come out and say, "I just had sex with some woman, " but –

Q. What kind of things would he say? Can you recall?

A. He would be real concerned about where Hillary was and if she had called. "Do I look like I've been running?" things like that.



Q. During the time that you were on the governor's Security Detail, was there a women who worked for Bill Clinton named Betsey Wright?

A. Yes.

Q. What did she do? What was her job?

A. She was chief of staff I believe the entire – no, not the entire time I was there, but she was chief of staff or a top assistant or aide.

Q. Did you – in addition to trying to keep these meetings and encounters with women from Hillary, did you also try to keep these encounters from Betsey Wright?

A. Yes.

Q. Did Betsey Wright ever ask you whether Bill Clinton had been out to see women or a particular woman?

A. Yes.

Q. What would she ask?

A. Well, of we had been out of town, she'd ask me if we had stayed out of trouble or, particularly, if I had kept him out of trouble, her words. After an event that she either didn't attend or we parted company from, she might ask me the next day if we went over to Jane Doe 2's house, things of that nature.

Q. Did she ever specifically ask you whether Bill Clinton had seen a woman or was seeing some women or had had an encounter with a woman on one of these trips?

A. I don't recall specifically, no. That would be the standard thing for her to ask me if she knew that I was with him.

Q. Well, I mean, you said a minute ago, "Did you keep out of trouble?" That could mean lots of different things. Did she ever ay anything to you that indicated that she was afraid that Bill Clinton was seeing women or having sexual encounters with women?

MR. BENNETT: Object to the form of the question.

A. She did ask me specifically about Jane Doe 2 again, generally she would ask me if we stayed out of trouble, and I took that to mean had we done anything wrong. And the only trouble I knew we could get in, since I was a police officer, would be – again, coupling that with what she would ask about Jane Doe 2 was if we had messed around with any women or whatever you want to call it.

Q. Did you ever tell her that you had taken Bill Clinton to see Jane Doe 2?

A. No, not that I remember.

Q. Even if you had, you wouldn't tell her?

A. Right.

Q. Well, do you know whether Betsey Wright knew of any of the women that Bill Clinton was seeing?

MR. BENNETT: I object, asking him –

MR. RADER: I'm asking him about his knowledge, Mr. Bennett.

MR. BENNETT: Well, you're asking him his knowledge about her knowledge. You're not asking him if she ever said anything to him, so I object to the form of the question.

Q. You can answer the question.

A. If you don't mind asking that again.

Q. Do you have any knowledge whether Betsey Wright knew about the women that Bill Clinton was having encounters with?

A. The only way I can answer that is I know that she knew I knew, if that makes any sense. Now, I don't know what was in her head as far as particular women or anything like that, any names, any instances, anything like ...

Q. You don't know whether she knew of specific women that Clinton had had a sexual encounter? You don't know that?

A. I believe she knew about Jane Doe 2.

Q. How about Regina Hopper? Did she know about her, do you know?

A. Not that I recall, no.

Q. How about Robyn Dickey.

A. I don't recall her talking to me about Robyn.

Q. Did Betsey Wright ever make any comment to you or to Bill Clinton about the consequences if he had been to see Jane Doe 2?

A. Not that I remember.

Q. Did she ever express her concern about what Bill Clinton's meetings with all these women could do to his political career?

A. Not in so many words, no.

Q. Why did she care, then? Why was she asking you these questions?

MR. BENNETT: Object to the form of the question.

A. I don't know why she did. I assume that is because that is the reason. That's what I took the reason to be, that she wanted to know what we were doing while she wasn't there.


Q. In the American Spectator article entitled "Love and Hate in Arkansas, L.D. Brown's Story" by Daniel Wattenberg, have you read that article?

A. Yes.

Q. Page 35 in that article, according to you, said that Clinton's extramarital sexual partners were, quote, "purely to be graded, purely to be chased, dominated, conquered," unquote. What did you mean by that?

A. Well, grading, as degrading as it may sound, is something that he and I both would do. Every – pretty much every pretty woman that we would see, eight, nine, ten, seven, six, whatever.

Q. Well, you're saying that as far as Clinton was concerned, they were purely to be graded, chased, dominated, and conquered?

A. Well, in the sense of a game, in the sense of that any of these people that I'm talking about, say, Jane Doe 2 , it was not a love relationship. It was a sexual relationship alone.



Q. Would you say he was a sexual predator?

MR. BENNETT: Objection.

A. In my personal opinion. That's all I can give you.

MR. BENNETT: I object.

Q. That's what I'm asking for.

A. I don't think he was a sexual predator, no. I think he just liked good-looking women, as I did, and that's about all I can say.



Q. After you left Governor's Security, were you ever approached by Betsey Wright or someone that you understood was a representative of Betsey Wright about whether you were going to talk about all these sexual encounters that you knew about?

A. Yes.

Q. Describe that to me.

A. It was in 1992 during the campaign. A lady by the name of Kathy Ford, who had worked at the governor's office while I was there for Betsey, after meeting me somewhere, I assume at – the first time she was at a local tavern here called Diego's, and I assumed after the first time she came in it was just – she was just in town for the campaign, which she had told me, that she had came back from San Diego, I believe is where she was living, to work for Betsey or downtown during the campaign.

Well, she came back twice more, sat by herself, and kind of motioned me over, and the third time she – I asked her – I had enlisted a friend, that I was going to follow her and see what was up, because it was obvious to me that these weren't just chance encounters. She was meeting no one there. She would order, like, a beer and drink half of it and leave after she chatted with me.

And so I just – the last time she came in, which I believe was the third time, she – I walked down to her, and I said, "How's Betsey?" and she said, "Oh, she's fine. L.D., what is it you want?" And I told her – not exact words, but I just told her I wanted to be left alone. I didn't want anything at the time. I think I made a joke about, "Well, you're assuming he's going to win," or something like that.

So she left, and I followed her. I didn't need the other person to help me. She drove a half block from where this place was – it's not there anymore – to like a little 7-Eleven, quick, E-Z shop thing. I think it's a Stax store now. Got out of her car and walked to a pay telephone, and Betsey was waiting for her. Got out of her car and met her at the phone. They both get on the telephone.

I thought it was kind of comical, and I just – went ahead and pulled in and walked up to the door. As I went inside the Stax store or E-Z Mart, I just yelled, "Hi, Betsey. How are you?" and she – oh, busted, you know, kind of look, and she said, "Oh, hi, L.D." So I just thought it was pretty funny.

Q. Was this in close proximity to the presidential campaign?

A. This was in the presidential campaign.

Q. Well, again, referring to The American Spectator article, it reports that after you departed from the Governor's Security staff, it says then Clinton chief of staff Betsey Wright summoned you to a meeting in her Hill Road home to make sure that you would not squeal about Clinton's state-subsidized harem. That's their language. Do you recall that meeting?

A. Right. Colonel Goodwin, Tommy Goodwin, who was a friend of mine – still is, but he was director of the state police at that time, and, again, he and I were friends socially – he asked me if I would be willing to meet with Betsey, that they were concerned, upset that I had left. And I said, "I really don't want to, but if it'll help you stay out of hot water as someone who works directly under the governor, yes, I'll do it."

So I met with Betsey – she lived, I believe, on Hill Road at that time – and a guy by the name of Jim Clark, who was integral to this new job opening up for me. He was the director that I would have been working for and a former state trooper who worked on the Governor's Security with me and a friend.

And so I went over and met with the both of them, and this was not long after I left. And she said, "Oh, L.D., you're not going to talk, and it would be so bad if you talk. We don't want to do that." I don't think she ever mentioned women or anything embarrassing. To me it was obvious. She said, "We'll get you another state job," and I said, "Listen, I've been through all this. No promises. I don't want anything else to do with it. Just leave me alone."

I thought the bar thing was what you were asking about first, but that happened in '85 after I left the mansion.

Q. So you had a meeting with Betsey Wright in '85 when you left the mansion, and they wanted to talk to you about not talking at that time, right?

A. Right.

Q. And then you were approached again as the presidential campaign was ongoing?

A. Right.

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Excerpts from Affidavit of Ark. State Trooper Danny Ferguson

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Reading Liberally Editorial Notes:

The 11/22/2017 posting of the Suggested Answers to the Second Short Quiz has been greeted with quite a few e-mails claiming that the Excerpts from the Deposition of Arkansas State Trooper Danny Ferguson could NOT be located on the Washington Post website.

Accordingly, there follow below both the Excerpts from the Deposition and their CURRENT website address.

The reason for stressing “CURRENT website address” is that such items are often taken down!!!

For example, Q-32 of the First Short Quiz quoted from the PBS Newshour translation of the first of Osama bin Laden’s FIVE fatwās -- that fatwā issued in 1996 and entitled “Declaration of War Against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places”

Shortly after we first quoted many years ago from the PBS Newshour translations of the ObL fatwās, the spineless PBS Newshour took them down!!!

At least the Washington Post has exhibited more integrity!!!

We have discussed the Arkansas State Trooper affidavits on several occasions, most recently the summer of 2014, and the Washington Post has not taken them down yet.

And for “Doubting Thomases” that was after the 2013 acquisition of the Washington Post by Jeff Bezos.

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NB: State Trooper Danny Ferguson’s sworn testimony that after Bill Clinton became President, there was so much interest in his illegal activities while Governor of Arkansas that he, Danny Ferguson, and FIVE OTHER ARKANSAS STATE TROOPERS (Roger Perry, Lynn Davis, Cliff Jackson, Ronnie Anderson and Larry Patterson) were planning to write a book about their activities as “procurers” of sexual partners for Bill Clinton -- occurs about 50% of the way through the following Excerpts.

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Excerpts From the Deposition of Danny Ferguson

Released on Friday, March 13, 1998

Following are excerpts from the deposition of Danny Ferguson, an Arkansas state trooper and co-defendant with President Clinton in the Paula Jones case. The deposition was held Dec. 10, 1997 at a Little Rock law firm.

The text of the deposition was released on March 13 by Paula Jones's lawyers, as part of their response to the Clinton legal team's motion for summary judgement.

Jones's attorneys replaced the names of some women with the name "Jane Doe." Jane Doe 1 is longtime Clinton friend Marilyn Jo Jenkins; Jane Doe 2 is longtime friend Beth Coulson.

In these excerpts, Ferguson is being questioned by Jones Attorney Robert E. Rader, and then by his own attorney, Bill W. Bristow. Robert S. Bennett represented President Clinton.

Q. Let me ask you about the time you talked to [Los Angeles Times reporter] Bill Rempel here in Little Rock, I believe you said at the Marriott, right?

A. I believe that's correct.

Q. There were some other people at that meeting as well, weren't there?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. Who were those people?

A. Cliff Jackson, Lynn Davis, Roger Perry, Larry Patterson, Ronnie Anderson.

Q. What was the purpose of the meeting?

A. Purpose of that meeting, we'd had a prior meeting about getting information, see how much a book would bring in about the president. My understanding was that Mr. Rempel was going to write an article prior to the book being released, and he was doing background on that.

Q. Why did you ask him not to tape what you said?

A. I wanted everything off the record in case I changed my mind.

Q. Well, when you talked to Mr. Rempel, did you – were the things that you told him at that time true?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. So when you say you changed your mind, do you mean you changed your mind about what you were going to say?

A. No. What the deal was, they were supposed to do research on a book and get back with us, see how much a book would bring in. We was then going to make a decision on whether we would go forward with the book, depending on how much they thought the book would bring in.

Q. Who was going to do research on the book to see how much it would bring in?

A. David Brock,

Q. So David Brock was there, too, at the same time?

A. No. We had met with him earlier in the same day at the Holiday Inn-Airport.

Q. Who all was interested in doing this book? You and Roger and –

A. Larry Patterson and Ronnie Anderson.

Q. This was – you met with Rempel in August of '93?

A. I'm not sure.

Q. Well, it was after Bill Clinton had been elected to the White House, wasn't it?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. Do you recall that it was in the later summer?

A. I recall it being in the summer, yes, sir.

Q. During this time that you talked to Rempel, you-all talked about Clinton's extramarital encounters with different women, didn't you?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. What did you talk about specifically in that regard?

A. My part –

Q. Uh-huh.

A. – was about Paula Jones and Jane Doe 1.

Q. Well, what did you tell Rempel about Jane Doe 1?

A. That I had taken her – she had come up to the mansion after the governor had been elected president before he was sworn in and went in and saw the governor early in the mornings.

Q. Now, this happened how many times?

A. Best of my knowledge, probably four.

Q. Describe how that happened.

A. Usually it happened – all except one time it happened when I was working midnights. He would call out about five o'clock in the morning saying that Jane Doe 1 was coming by, and the procedure then was that the Secret Service was outside. And she would have to go to their gate, and they would call in and confirm that it was okay for her to come in. So the president-elect would let me know that she was coming to the gate, to let her – you know, let him know it was okay to come in.

She would come in, park over by the security shack. I would go out and meet her and then take her downstairs to – used to be the game room. They had turned it into an office space when he was running for president. I would then go upstairs. He was usually in the kitchen reading the paper. I'd tell him that she was there. I'd go back downstairs and wait in the outer office until she got ready to leave, and I'd walk her back out to her car.

Q. Did President-Elect Clinton tell you how she would be dressed?

A. I believe on the last day he did, yes.

Q. What did he say about how she would be dressed?

A. Long coat, baseball cap.

Q. Did she use her regular correct name when she made those trips?

A. I believe she did, except for the last one. She used her maiden name Roe.

Q. Why did she use her maiden name, do you know?

A. I have no idea.

Q. Did Clinton tell you that she would be coming in with a coat and a cap using her maiden name?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. Let's talk about that last time for just a minute. That's the one that you told Roger Perry about, wasn't it, that time that she came – I think it was the day that Clinton was getting ready to go to Washington?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. And you told Roger Perry about that when he came on duty that morning didn't you?

A. I could have. I don't know who relieved me, but I could have.

Q. Well, you were present at Roger's deposition?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. You remember he said that you told him that morning when he came in?

A. I won't dispute that.

Q. Now, Jane Doe 1 came into the mansion that morning, and you took her down to the game room? Was that what you called it?

A. Well, it used to be the game room. They changed it to an office when he started running for president. It was in the lower level of the mansion.

Q. What time did you take her there?

A. Right around five-fifteen.

Q. And was Clinton there, or was he in the kitchen reading the paper? Where was he?

A. He was in the kitchen reading the paper.

Q. So after you took Jane Doe 1 to the basement, I'll say, you went and told Mr. Clinton that she was down in the basement?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. Then what did you do?

A. I went downstairs with him, and there's an outer office outside of the – I'll call it the game room. I sat there until she got ready to leave.

Q. Why did you stay there instead of going back to the guard shack?

A. He told me to wait and walk her back out.

Q. Is that exactly what he said. "I want you to just wait here so you can walk her back out?"

A. On that occasion, yes, sir.

Q. Well, did he say something different on the previous occasions when you took her down to the basement?

A. On one occasion he had me stay on the stairwell because Chelsea was there alone, and she was sick. I had to stay there. He wanted me to listen for her.

Q. Well, did he say that he wanted you to listen in case she came down looking for him?

MR. BENNETT: I object. I mean, leading is one thing, but that's –

Q. What did he say?

MR. BENNETT: Don't put works in the witness' mouth. Let's hear what he has to testify to.

A. I really don't know if he said that or if he was just worried about her being sick and up there, upstairs.



Q. What was the book you-all were talking about going to be about?

A. Trash. We were going to trash the president.

Q. Going to be about his extramarital involvement with other women?

MR. BENNETT: I object, because that assumes a fact not in evidence.

MR. RADER: Mr. Bennett, I asked him what it was going to be about, and I specifically asked him –

MR. BENNETT: No. That is an objectionable question.

MR. RADER: This is an adverse witness. I'm entitled to ask him leading questions. It is a proper question.

MR. BENNETT: I don't object to leading questions. I object to the form of the question. You're assuming facts that are simply not in evidence. That's an objection your Mr. Campbell has made every other question, so I'm making the same one.

Q. When you say the book was going to be to trash the president, what was it going to be about, Mr. Ferguson?

A. Every rumor we have ever heard about him.

Q. Weren't you concerned about libel if you just wrote a book base on rumors?

A. I don't think we was concerned about anything then.

Q. How did the idea of the book first come up?

A. Roger Perry approached me. They had already had several meetings when they approached me about it.

Q. Who is "they?"

A. Roger Perry, Lynn Davis, Cliff Jackson, Ronnie Anderson, Larry Patterson.

Q. Did you-all sit around in the guard shack and talk about the book?

A. Probably did.

Q. Did you-all sit around in the guard shack and talk about Mr. Clinton's involvement with different women?

MR. BRISTOW: Let me object to the form of that question, because when you say "you-all," which is a good southern expression that I use a lot, but in fairness to the witness, I'm not sure who "you-all" is in this particular question.

MR. RADER: That's a valid point. I'll rephrase the question.

Q. Did you ever sit around the guard shack with Roger Perry and Larry Patterson and other troopers who were on duty at the time and talk about Mr. Clinton's involvement with women other than Hillary?

MR. BENNETT: Object to the form, assumed a fact not in evidence.

A. Yes, sir.

Q. And what would your conversations be? I mean, give me an idea about what everyone would say. Give me a flavor for those conversations.

A. Like. Larry told us about taking him over to Jane Doe 2's house and Jane Doe 4' s house. Of course I told about Jane Doe 1 and Paula Jones. It was just right along those lines.

Q. How many times would you have conversations like this?

A. Well, we didn't work together all the time. It wasn't anything that happened every day or every week.



Q. What did you tell Bill Rempel about Paula Jones that time when you met with him in '93?

A. I have no idea.

Q. Well, what's your recollection at this point in time about what happened when you met Paula Jones?

A. You want me to go through the whole thing?

Q. Let's start – first of all, explain to me about the conference and what you and the governor were doing at the conference.

A. Best of my knowledge, he was giving the opening or the welcoming statement at this conference. It was in the morning. We got there late like usual. He went in, did his speech. I stayed in there with him, because we tape-record everything.

He came back outside of the conference room, and I believe they had doughnuts, coffee all set up, and he was out there doing that, talking to the press. And then there's people from the conference that was coming out to talk to him. Ms. Jones was sitting at the table with another female. I recognized her just by face. I didn't know her by name at that point.

I went over and started small-talking with her, and they were kind of giggling about the governor's pants being too short. And they – she said that she thought he was good-looking, had sexy hair, wanted me to tell him that. Also, wanted me to – that's when she said she'd like to meet him, so I told him that. And he had come back that she had that come-hither look, and there's a few things said back and forth.

He stayed out there – I really don't know how much longer – talking to people and he motioned for me to come over to him. He asked me to see if I could get him a room, that he was expecting a call from the White House and that he had several phone calls that he needed to make, for me to go to the car, get his briefcase because his phone messages were in there. So I got the briefcase.

I went to the front desk. I told them what the governor needed. They gave me to I guess, the manager, assistant manager, who gave me the key to a room. I went back and got him, took him upstairs to the room. I believe it was then that he told me that if Paula wanted to meet him, that she can come up. So I wrote the number down on a piece of paper, went down to her, gave it to her thinking if she wanted to go up, she'd go up. She said that she didn't know whether she could get away from the desk there. I told her, "It's no big deal. I'll just tell the governor." I said, "I'm going around the corner to sit on a couch." He had told me to come back down to the second floor in case somebody from the conference needed him. I had the cellular phone in case he needed me.

It wasn't, oh, three or four minutes she came around the corner. I was sitting on the couch. I asked her, "How did you get away?" She said she told then that she wasn't feeling well, that she needed to go to the bathroom. I thought she'd go on up, but she kept staying. I said, "Do you want me to walk up with you?" and she said, "Yeah."

So I walked up to the – we rode the elevator. I believe it was the eighth floor, I believe it was. We got off the elevator. I pointed in the direction of the room. I immediately turned and went back downstairs to the second floor where the governor told me to wait. I could watch the elevators and also be close to the conference.

About fifteen, twenty minutes later, maybe a little bit longer – I'm not sure – she came back down. She was smiling. She walked up to me and asked me if the governor and I were going to be at the conference the remainder of the day, and I said that his schedule had that on there, except for we'd go back to the mansion around lunchtime for a – I believe it was a photo op. And then she asked me if the governor had any girlfriends. I said, "No." She said that she would be his girlfriend.

She went on back to the direction of the conference. I waited there probably five, ten more minutes. I went upstairs and told the governor that is was time to go back to the mansion for the photo op., and when we got back to the mansion, I don't know if he came back to the conference or not. If he did, my working partner brought him back, because I didn't.



Q. After you talked to Paula Jones, then you went back, and you at some point told the governor, "This woman over here would like to meet you," right?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. What he say at that point?

A. That's when he said, "She's got that come-hither look."

Q. What does that mean?

A. That's just a word he used.

Q. Did he use it a lot?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. Come hither?

A. Come hither.

Q. Did he always use that in connection with women?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. But you don't know what he meant by it?

A. No, sir.

Q. So he said, "She's got that come-hither look," and then what did he say? What all did he say at that point?

A. That's all I can remember.



Q. When is the next time you saw Paula Jones?

A. About a week or two later at the governor's office.

Q. As I understand it, she's a courier? She would be in and out of the governor's office a lot, right?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. And I presume that's where you had seen her in the past when she was in and out as part of her job?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. And did you-all have any discussion the next time you saw her?

A. Yes, sir. She called me out of the – I was in the reception area. She called me out the door into the hallway.

Q. She called you out into the hallway?

A. She motioned for me to come outside as she was leaving the governor's office.

Q. What did you say, and what did she say?

A. She asked me if the governor had asked about her. I said, "No." She asked me for a piece of paper. She wrote her phone number down and said, "If he wants to talk to me, he can call me at this number. If my boyfriend answers, either hang up or tell him you've got the wrong number."

Q. When was the next time you saw her after that? Excuse me for interruption you, Mr. Ferguson. When she gave you that information, did you convey it to the governor?

A. No, sir. I threw it away as soon as I walked back in the door.

Q. When was the next time you saw Paula Jones?

A. At the Golden Corral.

Q. Just bumped into her there?

A. My wife and I were eating, and I didn't even know she was there. My wife first noticed her.

Q. Did your wife know Paula Jones?

A. No, sir.

Q. You say she noticed her. I mean, how did she –

A. Well, I was sitting with my back to where Paula was, and she said – my wife told me, said, "That girl over there keeps looking at you." So I turned around and looked, and it was Paula. She waved and I waved.

Q. Did she come over to your table?

A. About four or five minutes later – she didn't come to my table – she walked right past us and waved as, I guess, she went up to the food bar. Then she went back to her table. I just continued eating with my back to her, and my wife says, "That girl is trying to get your attention." So I looked over there. She motioned for me to come to her table. She had another lady there, also, and I believe there was a baby there.

Q. So you went over to her table –

A. Yes, sir.

Q. – and talked to her there?

A. Yes, sir, I did.

Q. What did you say, and what did she say then?

A. I apologized to her for her name being in the American Spectator. I said that David Brock never identified himself as writing for The American Spectator. He was doing background for a book. To put the words, I said, "I got screwed," and I apologized to her for her name being in the book – in the magazine article.

Q. Is that all you said?

A. She asked me then how much money I thought she could make. I told her that Roger and – Roger had told me that the National Enquirer was paying five hundred thousand, something like that. But I told her, I said, "You better think about your family, because I've been through it, and they was starting to dig up dirt." I said, "You need to think about your family," because she said she was thinking about coming forward.

And she said that she would have to tell her husband all of it, all of the truth. She said that she had told him that Clinton had asked her to come up to the room, that she had not told him that she went up to the room. And I think our final – she wanted the number to Roger Perry, how to get in touch with Roger Perry. I told her, "Just call headquarters."

Q. You say she said she was going to come forward. What did you understand she meant by that? Did she say?

A. Identify herself as the "Paula" in The American Spectator.

Q. Let me back up to the day when you took Paula to Clinton, to the eighth floor to meet with Clinton. You said a few minutes ago that you saw her come down fifteen, twenty minutes later.

A. Twenty, twenty-five or something like that. I'm not sure.

Q. How much longer was Clinton in the room before he came down?

A. He didn't – I waited five or ten minutes. Then I went back upstairs to get him, because we had to be at the mansion.

Q. Did Clinton discuss with you what had gone on in the room with him and Paula?

A. All he said to me is when I went in the room, I said, "Gov, we need to go." He said, "She came up here, and nothing happened." He was there another five minutes working on some paperwork that he had spread out on the desk, and then we went to the governor's mansion.

Q. What did you understand he meant when he said "Nothing happened"?

A. I don't know.



Cross Examination by Mr. Bristow

Q. Danny, you have been asked about an occurrence and a conversation at the Golden Corral with Paula Jones, and there were some conversations that you repeated about the National Enquirer and that they might pay five hundred thousand dollars. Do you recall that?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. Would you tell, for the record, specifically what you remember being said by Paula Corbin Jones with regard to that – to the issue of money?

A. She said that five hundred thousand dollars would last her a long time.

Q. Just kind of repeat that conversation about the money, if you would.

A. She had called me over to the table. I had apologized to her for the article and told her how – what had happened. And she asked me how much money I thought she could get out of it, and I told her that Roger told me about the National Enquirer or some other tabloid was paying as much as five hundred thousand. She said five hundred thousand would last her a long time.

And I tried to tell her that, you know they would get dirt on her and dig it up, and she needed to think about her family. She said nothing in her background would hurt her. She said that she would have to tell her husband the whole truth, that she had told him that Clinton had asked him to come up – or her to come up, but she had not told him that she went up to the room...

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